tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219039592451741506.post743147109081808462..comments2024-02-24T23:16:53.149-08:00Comments on Searching for Bright Light: Great Depression Shanties--Coming Our Way?Northern Lighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15969094667907320393noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219039592451741506.post-50465497276655903622009-03-22T22:42:00.000-07:002009-03-22T22:42:00.000-07:00Xanax is known throughout as an effective minor tr...Xanax is known throughout as an effective minor tranquilizer and the use of <A HREF="http://xanax-effects.com/xanax_tranquilizers.html" REL="nofollow"> xanax tranquilizers </A> or xanax-like tranquilizers, such as Ativan, Klonopin, valium et al in according to the instructions provided by the doctor, can be helpful for you to combat anxiety and panic attacks. Altogether, it is worth mentioning here that the short term use of Xanax and similar other tranquilizers can be soothing but opting for xanax and other tranquilizers for a long term basis can prove to be detrimental for health.<A HREF="http://www.xanax-effects.com" REL="nofollow">http://www.xanax-effects.com</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219039592451741506.post-69761085799870669912009-02-04T09:50:00.000-08:002009-02-04T09:50:00.000-08:00Remember, you're "dumb" or "a nut" if you disagree...Remember, you're "dumb" or "a nut" if you disagree. Or maybe even a "wingnut". Must be more of that <I>intellectually nuanced debate</I> I keep hearing the Left is always engaging in.<BR/><BR/>It's not just to sell papers, it's a way to advance an agenda of more government intervention. Not very different from any other of the thousands of prophets-of-doom we've had since time immemorial. "Global warming" anyone? (Or "climate change" or "climate crisis", whatever the latest name is) "We're all doomed, I tell you, doooooooomed. Unless you do everything I say. Which just so happens to enrich me and those like me and allows me and those like me to control everything. But never mind that, I'm really looking out for <I>all of us</I>."<BR/><BR/>Different millennium, same old demagoguery.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05973774692416760687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219039592451741506.post-6463382198748343452009-01-30T22:55:00.000-08:002009-01-30T22:55:00.000-08:00I say “dumb” because you are, either intentionally...I say “dumb” because you are, either intentionally or by default. It’s probably because of your privilege. You have never been to Nickelsville - I have. You don’t know any of the people involved - I do. You are wrong on your assessments; you make derogatory comments about the motives of people you don’t even know. That is dumb. You don’t want to live outdoors in the city in January because you know how cold and wet it is, and yet some how think these other people do. That is nuts.<BR/><BR/>“Nickelsville residents are choosing to endure tents in a parking lot either for a political agenda…” I told you, they are choosing to do so because it is a viable alternative to the danger of the open streets. There are not enough shelter beds. “…or because they don't choose (or are unable) to engage a system of supports and opportunity that has demands and restrictions.” Again, there are restrictions (rules of conduct) in Nickelsville – you pointed that out in your original entry. So that is not the issue. The problem with the shelters is that most of them throw you out in the morning and make you take all your belongings with you. Yes, they do. And you can’t get anything done carrying all your stuff around with you all day. <BR/><BR/>“I fear that some of them are being manipulated and exploited by those with a politics of victimhood, in which the homeless are ‘entitled’ to governmental enablement for their lifestyles.” What lifestyle would that be? Exposure to the elements? The right to have a rat crawl over your face? The only people who are “exploiting them” are you and that Fave Host of yours who use them as easy right wing bully material. These people are powerless, and only a coward would use a powerless people as fodder on a multi million dollar media channel.Jim Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10616835174426017811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219039592451741506.post-62371042858245044832009-01-30T15:19:00.000-08:002009-01-30T15:19:00.000-08:00Jim, interesting to note the difference in tone an...Jim, interesting to note the difference in tone and content in our comments. Your ad hominim name-calling ("nuts," "dumb") don't address the issue, which is that Nickelsville residents are choosing to endure tents in a parking lot either for a political agenda or because they don't choose (or are unable) to engage a system of supports and opportunity that has demands and restrictions.<BR/><BR/>I fear that some of them are being manipulated and exploited by those with a politics of victimhood, in which the homeless are "entitled" to governmental enablement for their lifestyles.<BR/><BR/> In my previous comment I listed several means available to financially down individuals to manage during their difficulties and at the same time live indoors (with roommates, family, charity placements, shelters, employers). But taking advantage of these options requires initiative and industriousness; my post tries to show that these qualities were far more prevalent during the Depression than presently.Northern Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969094667907320393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219039592451741506.post-33906902763121713862009-01-30T10:42:00.000-08:002009-01-30T10:42:00.000-08:00Do you really think that people would rather live ...Do you really think that people would rather live in a tent in Seattle in January than “find permanent, four-walls housing?” Are you nuts? Do you think you are different than they are? “Intentional” means a better version of survival. Safety in numbers, camaraderie, how ever you want to say it. Don’t play dumb.Jim Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10616835174426017811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219039592451741506.post-14513867080234211652009-01-29T16:01:00.000-08:002009-01-29T16:01:00.000-08:00Jim, Nice to have you back.Actually, my source for...Jim, Nice to have you back.<BR/><BR/>Actually, my source for "no rules originally" at Nickelsville was a Nov. 5, 2008 Seattle Weekly article by Aimee Curl, "Nickelsville Not What It Set Out to Be," in which she states "Nickelsville has evolved from its early days, when there were no rules or leadership structure."<BR/><BR/>If Nickelsville is "an intentional community" and "their home," that means these people want to be there rather than find permanent, four-walls housing. Most shelters would allow residents to "leave their belongings while they go about their business."<BR/><BR/>There is an assumption that these people are not responsible for their housing situation, but unless they are mentally ill or addicted, in which case they should be cared-for, they could find a place to live: A room-mate situation, advertised all over, would be a cheap option. There are always stop-gap jobs, including at MacDonald's or Hollywood Video or in child-care.<BR/><BR/>I do think veterans should have government opportunities for assistance, and I do have compassion for those who lose their jobs. Friends, family, church and other charitable groups are there for temporary help. I think everyone should donate to such worthy causes. FareStart is one program that provides career training that will mean independence for graduates.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, the GD attitude of self-sufficiency is probably the best ammunition for weathering challenges. I know someone who lost his job (he was the support of a wife and three kids) whose answer to that was, "I've got to get creative and come up with a new way to earn money." He started his own small business while his wife took a secretarial temp job. It's not easy, but it never occurred to him to ask anyone else to pay his freight.<BR/><BR/>And believe it or not, if I needed to, I'd work at a minimum wage job--I've held plenty.Northern Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969094667907320393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219039592451741506.post-16724932535810315802009-01-29T09:33:00.000-08:002009-01-29T09:33:00.000-08:00You should really investigate more before you star...You should really investigate more before you start talking. Nickelsville has always had rules. When people organize into communities that’s part of it. Nickelsville is an intentional community, it is their home. The tents are crowded close together because they don’t have much space. Unlike shelters they can leave their belongings while they go about their business – doing laundry, looking for work, working the jobs that they have. Yes, many homeless people have jobs. <BR/><BR/>Why do you put the word “plight” in quotes? Do you not believe it? Do you think they’re pretending? A lot of people are one hospital stay away from the street, one mortgage failure, one bank loss – and you know it. I belong to Veterans For Peace, and we have several homeless members. Is this a joke? Do you remember the Iraq vets who held up the sign during McCain’s campaign speech in St Paul that said “McCain Abandons Vets?” This is what they were talking about. <BR/><BR/>Mayor Nickels has promised a lot of things, including an end to homelessness. Not much has changed. Seattle has never had enough shelter beds. People are turned away all the time – many know better than to try. Nickelsville is an autonomous, self governing community, a place for people to reclaim their vanishing self respect. You live on Mercer Island. A few whip lashes of this unstable economy and you might not be such a big shot. Even the Fave Host might have to start broadcasting from a bullhorn on 2nd and Pike.Jim Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10616835174426017811noreply@blogger.com